FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

FAQ Regarding the 2008 Greater Baltimore Hamboree & Computerfest (Timonium Hamfest) March 29 and 30, 2008
 

I would like to share my background so that everyone understands that I speak from authority and experience. I have been a ham for over 33 years and have been on the GBH&C (Timonium Hamfest) committee for 29 years and I am the clubs treasurer. This was the 29th show that the Baltimore Amateur Radio Club has run the GBH&C. So we understand I can speak from history of the show and the actual costs associated with putting on a show of this size. There are a very few folks that know what goes into putting on a show this size and some things that may not seem right from their vantage point. They do not know ALL the facts.

A brief history of the show ? The Baltimore Amateur Radio club purchased the rights to the GBH&C from Calvert Hall College (High School). Calvert Hall ran and owned the show through March 1979 where the show was held at the high school gym and hallways. The show had grown beyond what the high school could manage. BARC ran the 1st GBH&C on its own in 1980 at the Maryland State Fairgrounds in Timonium.

In that time the show was in the Exhibition Hall only in a flea market style and half the midway was tailgating. As the 80's moved on the Exhibition Hall went from no commercial spaces to half commercial spaces with pipe and drape. As the late 80's appeared the Hall went totally commercial and we moved the flea market into the Home Arts building. Outdoor Tailgating went from half of the Midway to most of the midway.

As the 90's moved along the Home Arts building became a 2nd commercial building and the flea market was moved to the Cow Palace. Computers made their way into hamfests and there were some great years. At one point the attendance was 20,000 of which 13,000 we non-hams there for the computer stuff. As the 90's progressed the Cow Palace went from just the middle section to the south and middle section being flea market and the when we could no longer fit outdoor tailgating in the midway the north end of the Cow Palace also became tailgating with folks allowed to leave the cars in the building.

Then computers became available in almost every store, the internet arrived and things like e-bay showed up. We went from basically 3 hamfests in the area to about 14. We started to not be able to fill the spaces as before and have been in that mode ever since, just like every other hamfest around.

People have to remember that this is this organizations ONE and only fundraiser to fund the $5,500 in annual scholarships, maintain a repeater system and pay rent and electric for the clubs meeting and training facility. The annual club's expenses are about $30,000. We DO NOT make that or even half of that anymore. Thanks to the mid 90's we have a nest egg tucked away but this will not last forever. 

1.)    Will there be a 2009 Show? YES

2.)    Are you going to ONE Building? As of right now NO but it may happen in the future.

3.)    IF you do go to one building are you not going to have Outdoor Tailgating? IF we ever do go to one building (Cow Palace) that is a distinct possibility.

4.)    IF you do go to one building what happens to the commercial vendors and flea market vendors? IF that day ever comes, we would move the commercial vendors into the Cow Palace. Will some vendors be moved, maybe. We would take into consideration how long a vendor has been with us etc. NOBODY would just be pushed out. We would work with each and everyone to try to come up with a solution.

5.)    Why did the Outdoor Tailgate Area move? It is simply a cost decision with an added plus. The last few years the club has rented the Home Arts building. This is the building that is at the top of the midway and for the last few years it has been empty. We have seen conjecture that it is empty because we just want it that way. That building costs the club about $7000 to rent and leave empty. WHY do we rent the building to leave it empty? Simply put to have total control of the fairgrounds you have to rent the fairgrounds. We have tried to have another IFM area there, an actual Flea Market and this year an art show. None have blossomed enough to even half fill the building.  So what does this have to do with tailgating being moved? Simple, if we do not rent the building the fairgrounds has the right to rent it to another organization to hold whatever. If that is done then the entire midway MUST be general parking for BOTH shows. Since we no longer fill that lot with 650 tailgaters and the last few years has seen 350 or less the decision to move tailgate to the side of the Exhibition Hall was made. Yes there are a few less spaces 290. Next year we hope to learn from this year and be able to fill the gaps so more spaces can actually be sold. The only other solution is to NOT have tailgating at all. We do not want to do this, but Tailgating does not cover the cost of renting the Home Arts Building. Next year we will NOT be renting this building.  The two added pluses are that the spaces are already lined and using the midway for parking allows the general public closer access to their vehicles to drag those boat anchors to.

6.)    Will there be outdoor tailgating next year? As of right now YES. But there is one thing that from a strictly financial perspective says WHY. We charge $25 for a tailgate spot before March 1 and $30 after and that includes an admission ticket for the weekend. So the spot in reality is $15 for the weekend. We have to pay a group of scouts $1,000 to clean up the trash and We have to pay to have dumpsters delivered and picked up from the fairgrounds and pay BY THE POUND for the trash that is removed and by the way all of those unwanted monitors, laptops and old computers are considered hazardous material so we have to pay a FEE because of that. In 2007 those costs totaled over $5000. From a financial point of view having Outdoor tailgating COSTS us money. Yes we generate trash from the other areas but the JUNK left behind is much less since we have assigned the spots and know who left it behind.

7.)    Why did the Cost have to go up to $10? Here again costs. We have been at $6 a day for a number of years now. We had been offering $6 a day and $10 in advance for the weekend. The fairground's costs us over $22,000 just to rent the buildings. When we went to $6 a day the fairgrounds cost us $14,000. That does not include the price of table and chairs, pipe and drape, security, electric, traffic directors, trash removal and clean up to name just a few. The actual cost of a show our size is over $70,000. If you look around the internet and go to as many shows as I do you will notice that the much smaller 1 day shows charge $5 or even $6. If you look at the shows that are comparable to us (Sea-Pac, Rochester, Ham-con, and Austin) to name a few they are ALL $8 in advance and $10 at the door. We did offer a weekend ticket of $8 in advance.

8.)    Why are there no Amateur Radio Dealers?  Actually this year we had R&L come back to our show. We did not advertise they were coming because we did not know until the week of the show. This is NOT R&L's fault. We did not ask them until then.  We thank R&L for this and from what we understand they will be back next year.  However, gone are the years of 4 or 5 radio dealers at hamfests. First they cannot make enough to justify coming even if we have 2 or 3 at this point. Next year we will let everyone know when we have a definite response so that you can order stuff and have them bring it along if necessary.

9.)    Why is there NO manufacturer's at the show? We actually have 1 manufacturer that has been with use many years, MFJ. The actual manufacturer along with Ameritron, Mirage, Hy-Gain, and Vectronics. We wish we knew why the radio manufacturers do not decide not to attend. We invite them every year. We do understand that the Japanese fiscal year ends March 31 and most manufacturers pull staff to do inventory. We can only ask that YOU the public going to shows write and let the manufacturers know you want them at MORE shows. THANK YOU MFJ for continuously coming and making our show great.

10.)            Why did MFJ pull out at 9AM on Sunday?  We were not going to answer this at first but decided that we should say something. We are going to be as tactful as possible. Simply put a member of the MFJ team running the booth received an urgent phone call. They had a family emergency and had to leave. We want to thank those vendors (East Cost Radio, WB0W, and R&L) that helped to pack up MFJ's booth and to our own staff that were 1st security guards and then truck loaders. With many fine folks we were able to break down, pack and load the truck in under an hour and a half so they could get on the road. Unfortunately, they did not make it home in time but it was not from a lack of effort. From the Baltimore Amateur Radio our thoughts and prayers are with this person and there family.

11.)            Will there be an Art Show next year?  No, we tried to utilize the Home Arts build the last few years with an actual flea market, robotics, and last year an art show. All have failed to take off. We will NOT be renting the Home Arts building next year.

12.)            Why was there Art in the Exhibition Hall? Again, we tried to hold a separate art show in the Home Arts building and it did not work out. Instead of just canceling the art show and since we had NOT sold that many tables in the Exhibition Hall we decided to move the 15 tables to the Exhibition Hall. We contacted each art vendor and gave them the choice of moving or a refund. Overall, it was a nice difference and it sure did beat more empty space. All but one of the art vendors went away happy and even sold things throughout the weekend.

13.)            Will there be a Mini-Fest this January?  As of now the club will hold this event. Please be aware that this does cost the club money and while we do not charge for the event we do ask for donations. Unfortunately, we do not meet expenses for this event. Look for more information later on the status or date of the mini-fest.

14.)            How can you help make sure the show continues? We need your support. Come to the show support the vendors, talk it up. Running a hamfest is a double edge sword. Without the vendors the attendees do not come and without the attendees the vendors do not come. We are not the only hamfest to be feeling the effects of less vendors and less attendees. Only you can help us continue to make the show happen.
If you wish to respond please send you comments directly to me at n3wd at arrl.net.
Bill Dobson, N3WD
 

Camping Questions

What camping spaces are available?
GBH&C does not administer or sell camping space.  There are some tailgate spaces that have camping hookups accessible.  There are also some spaces with hookups down near the swine barn.  They are managed by the fairgrounds security guards.

Can I reserve camping space?
Sorry, there is no way to reserve camping space. 

Is there a fee to hook up or to camp?
The fairgrounds operators have the right to charge for camping and the use of the hookups.  The cost is approximately $15 per night.  They will come to you, there is no requirement to register.

May I sleep in my tailgate space?
Sure.  The fairgrounds may assess a camping fee.  There are a number of tailgaters that operate all night, and have a nice social time.